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@MisterStent m8 the second message was literally me stating technical facts
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anyway, there's lots of stuff to be liked about tg, i agree there
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i think advertising tg as "secure" which has been done time and time again is deceptive, and so is the insistence that tg does not hand out data to governments. if they were truly committed to that, they'd have implemented e2ee by now
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Ik, BUT my general view is that its a free market - i am free to use signal, matrix, telegram. E2e can be a concern but then go and use signal, its not like Telegram says that holy shit its next level secure, they say it only about secret chats AND if i understand correctly, there is enough information from them and from other sources about them, so i can make my own informed responsible decision. It's not like I was deceived into using it. If it takes lack of e2e and this type of ads for a great app (I'll ignore the past year cause we both agree there), then sign me in. If it makes me a victim of mass surveillance - I'm still ok with this (and I say it with russian passport, actively being against government and having a couple of potential criminal charges back there). The only point I can be like "shit, that's awful" is work with FSB. I will be honest, I haven't seen strong evidence for that but also knowing all the situations with what happened when they had forced investments refund, i don't cross it out as anything impossible. I know that I'm using someone else's private app, that it belongs to a single person, that it has it's flaws but up until a year ago, for me the advantages were much stronger than the disadvantages
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whatsapp also does this, although I'm not sure how whatsapp desktop/web bode security-wise
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Even though i like that they do what they do
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and it has no problem with syncing or huge group chats
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yes, that's the argumentation. but that restriction is complete bogus, and always has been. it's a limitation of tg's dumb protocol, not of e2ee
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I don't quite agree with the tone of this article but I think it summarises the TG situation pretty well from my perspective
https://blog.thc.org/keep-pavel-durov-locked-up
yes, although they did their own proprietary protocol which is sth you just don't do if you're serious about security. and their bug bounty program is a joke
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Also the type of ads. They are not based that much on the user data but they are targeted through channel data
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main reason I dislike tg is because they preach privacy, but don't commit to it in the slightest
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to re-iterate: as of right now, telegram can, from a technical perspective, easily read every single message except those in secret chats. if the messages were e2e encrypted, they could not. hence, there would be no possibility of them simply handing out large amounts of data that's sitting unencrypted on their servers
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surely not harder than making some scummy stablecoin and circumventing market laws
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like, just implement this and suddenly you sound credible!! wow!
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i would love to use another app but tg is where the people are whom i want to communicate with (that is, a sizeable amount)
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but like, it's literally more likely that you're victim of mass-surveillance on tg than on whatsapp
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yes, but that's besides the point. it doesn't suck because of e2ee
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And I love that. I love not only that i was given this choice, but all my contacts as well. So i treat it as a conscious user decision
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The way how I see it (as an early user) - i was given a choice from the start either to have super ultra secure chats that won't have cloud sync but very secure, or to not really care about security for a cloud and cross device sync
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Yeah, that's what I meant by a fast cash grab if you saw the requirements to be an advertiser
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that's actually a very fair point. although I've yet to see ads for anything other than literal crypto scams
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you could literally plug-and-play any foss encryption lib
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there's still no e2e encryption by default, not even in private chats
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