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- This is a pretty complete summary. You can do some additional research on the differences between Holo Hosting and Holochain. HoloFuel and HOT. etc. Someone else here may also provide some links to specific articles. Otherwise check out holochain.org and holo.host

- Holochain is a protocol for local first distributed applications that have no servers. Holochain applications run on the users computers and so some sort of run-time environment for a hApp [Holochain App] needs to be installed on each computer. (Or phone in the case of Volla) Because Holochain is a protocol there is no built in fee for data exchanges between Holochain nodes. Just like you don’t pay for using SMTP the email protocol. You just use it.
- Holo is a way for Holochain developers to make their hApps easily available to anyone with a web browser. No need to install anything. Just like nobody installs, Facebook, AirTable, or Trello. What we now call Web2. Software as a service (SaaS). Holo is a distributed network of Holochain hosting. Holo Hosts can provide this service for a fee.
- HoloFuel is the intended way for Hosting to be paid for. HoloFuel is a mutual credit accounting system. It is not a crypto token. It is designed for high volume micropayments with rapid settlement.
- HOT is an ERC20 token that was minted and sold to raise money for the development of Holochain and Holo. It is a coupon [not a security, or ownership in Holo] to eventually be redeemed for HoloFuel.

- Keep in mind that everything I'm describing here, has never been done before. There are some pieces of technology and computing ideas that have been around for a while, but never combined in this way. So development of Holochain and Holo are new frontiers. It is not plug and play. It is not like most copy/past crypto/web3 projects out there.

- Holochain is a programming protocol. Developers have to come up with their own business models to make money. Just like Email providers and Email program devs sell their software or provide some sort of value add for their customers.
- Holo Hosting is a business. Hosts expect to get paid for their resources. Originally Holo network was going to launch with HoloFuel as its payment system and HOT holders would exchange their HOT tokes for HoloFuel credits. Or cash out to someone else who wanted to trade for the HoloFuel. In the mean time the folks at Holo Ltd & Holochain have been in conversations with other companies who would like to use HoloFuel as the payment currency in their projects. This is happening sooner than was expected and has resulted in the Holo Hosting project becoming more complicated. This increased complexity requires reorganizing business entities to meet demands that were not expected for some time to come. Paid Holo Hosting will begin by accepting payment for services in HOT with HoloFuel payments being accepted after HF is ready.

- Volla Phone is a project that decided to use Holochain for its secure messaging platform and data backup system. It has nothing to do with HOT, HoloFuel, or Holo Hosting. Unless they decide to host their services on Holo. Which they can do whether Holo accepts HOT or HF, or anything else as payment.

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what exchanges in US has Holo?

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Hey Nathan,
Hope you are well. I was and am a big fan of fractal tribute especially because of the doors it opened in my mind for how holochain and holo could be used inter-operably with other crypto projects. Although I understand this might feel like a step sideways for the organisation, it does feel like giving cryptographically secure solutions for scaling issues and the like to other projects in the crypto space could be a great jumpstart for adoption. I guess this is a long winded way of asking, do you have any intention of partnering with other large scale projects in the crypto space because I feel like holochain and holo hold the missing piece that a lot of these organisations are looking for. Given the current climate of the space, the next 3 months seem pretty critical and could serve as a great launchpad for substantial adoption…
Thanks for your time

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I was referring to the phone.

So Holo Hosting Launch is not required for Volla Phone to work. Many people were seeing Volla Phone Launch as an indicator of Hosting launch (december), but if its not required, it means that the Phone could launch anytime and the two things are not related.

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Please also note these questions down if not already noted, and thank you for doing this, much appreciated!1) Will HOT be listed on US exchanges with the delivery of hosting. If HOT is being used for payment, it would make sense that it is available on the big central exchanges in the US. 2) If other means of payment are being used instead of HOT, how does that affect the 1:1 swap for Holofuel? What even is the purpose of HOT in that case, if it is not the primary utility until Holofuel is launched.

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For now I want us to stay focused on having HOT being accepted as payment for services. No guarantees of other ways, but the option is there. if that clarifies?

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Hey Franz, I will note this down thank you for asking. Regarding the payments, what's known is that HOT will be accepted, any other details are still being sorted out.

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Details are still being sorted out so there is not much for me to share.

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Can you note this as a question for AMA, launch or deliver brief or whatever the appropriate name is? Because I had the impression HOT will take place of Fuel for the time being and become asset backed, while like you mentioned other methods of payment would devalue this proposition. That‘s quite a large difference in setup. If it‘s HOT only, even if people can buy via fiat, that‘s one side but if you can pay directly with fiat or other cryptos, that‘s sort of destroying the whole idea of HOT replacing Fuel.

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Yes I have read this. Does this mean that holo hosting and fuel will come in two separate moments, right? Potentially long time apart?

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Whats the main reason that HOT will be used as hosting payments? Wasn’t that the role of HF?

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Indeed using wormhole to deploy on base and or solana seems important now

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Does not matter since its fake news

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Thanks for sharing Hard Driven!

Also to anyone reading this, and want to talk anything Holo. Feel free to DM me. (Yes ignore my username, my DM's are open to all Holo folks! Just make sure to click my name here to verify and DO NOT respond to imposters.)

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Will you give us a gift for Noel? Before the new year ?

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So whats hot for if volla can run without holo hosting ?? , in the forum holo said , "we rolloing out services paying with HOT" so what it means????

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Now I could well imagine that if payment could be made in another way, it would be used to purchase HOT on the exchanges by the holoteam. Which then flows back into the reserve.

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That is correct. Volla Holochain hApps were built without the use of, need for, Holo Hosting. What Holo makes possible, as we have been saying all along, is access to Holochain hApps without having to install Holochain. If/when there are Holo versions of Volla hApps that run on Holo, then anyone would be able to create a messaging account with their web browswer and message people with Volla Phones.

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1st question is an absolute yes. This allows Holo to delivery hosting services now.

2nd question, Are you referring to the Volla Phone, or to the Volla messages app? Both can run without holo hosting

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Does unbinding Fuel from Hosting service and have separate launches makes the hosting launch itself easier to achieve and make it happen realistically soon?

Second Q: Since Volla is launching soon, can it launch without the hosting already in place or they can launch and hosting can still come later?

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Based on the last statements I remember (correct me if wrong) HOT for now replaces Fuel for paying hosts. Nowhere was mentioned (like you implied above) that other channels will be added for payments. Basically if its say credircard - buy HOT - pay host it‘s totally different to creditcard - pay host

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Well then, let me ask this. When you say other payment methods, are you talking about another currency other than HOT?

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That is correct Elmin. A HoloFuel focused livestream is scheduled to happen later this month.

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Is it possible to get information about other payment methods? Or is there any idea in the team to build a bridge over a cheap network like Arb?

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Hey @ElminFerati Great question. Have you caught up with the recent blog and Holo delivery Brief that was shared?

Blog: https://press.holo.host/243118-shifting-gears-to-delivery-volla-phone-apps-powered-by-holochain

Holo Delivery Brief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKZO4L1_vY

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Hey @LordAragorn0 This is indeed something the team is aware off. We shared that HOT will be accepted for hosting services, this does not mean we will have to limit to HOT only if the demand/need for other ways of payment is there.

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@marycamacho @NATHANLENAE @popachubby It was said that HOT will be used for hosting payments. But HOT is ERC20 based. So slow and high paying. The ERC network does not seem very suitable for micropayments. Have you taken any precautions against this?

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Dr tony crypto spreads fake news as always. Dont take him serious

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https://x.com/NathanLenae/status/1856676394513674697?t=QZrxtMNsvV4olpaatP4Tiw&s=09

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Hey just a quick question , so are holohosting will still on track to launch at december??

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