Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 21:08

The way I look at it so far, is that it requires a difference in mentality on the programmer's part. Many programmers I talk to, tend to think in terms of total memory availability (e.g. 6GB on Jake's part, 16-32GB on my part, I think 64 on yours?), which I don't think is the right approach. Modern operating systems do not allow you to take control of the entire memory contents at any point, in any configuration. For that, you need to be the operating system, and even then it only holds on technicality.

There are 3 system configurations that I am writing that 2kB project for. Those are the Arduino Uno, Arduino Mega, and ATtiny85. It helps to look at them as though they would be a Commodore or such. Clock speed is very important for a wristwatch project, same back then. It is what conceived the turbo switch. On the ATtiny85 (final target), I chose 4MHz where it will spend 20-24% CPU time to provide a basic serial console and draw the time and date. At 16MHz for the Uno and Mega, that is 5-6%. The crystal needs to be made more accurate on the Mega, drift is too high. On the ATtiny85, I will have to burn the fuses to use an external crystal, the RC oscillator is useless for a watch.

And lastly, in terms of memory, I could import one bitmap font that makes larger characters on my 128x32px display look presentable. One. Font. That's it. And even then it's already consuming more than half of the flash and memory space. I might want to remove some of the characters from the library I use for that font if necessary. Variables, let's talk about those too. In C, you need to size them properly in advance. I tend to stick with powers of 2 for size (e.g. 32 or 64 bytes), but they have to be as small as reasonably possible. When I allocate those, I don't even think about what I have available on the chip, I just assume that I have nothing and work up from there. That to exist in that memory space is a privilege, not a right.

An approach like this needs to be justifiable, sure. And while on those microcontrollers it's justified, maybe on modern systems it's not. But that mentality change, the sheer amount of things that learning to program those taught me... I wish more programmers would give it a chance.

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:46

Github page have flatpak/snap and generic builds

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:43

Everything will come to an end.

Recently, a lot of things happened to me.
I'm tired.
What's my next step?
I don't know, I can't figure it out.

So now...
64Gram will stop maintenance for a while.

Will you come back?
Yes, but I can't give you a date.

Thank you for your understanding.

- Tir(ed Hu)sky

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:31

64gram is an EOL app

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 19:31

tdesktop has higher ram consumption on Linux typically

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 13:04

See if you can make something on top of Telethon or libpurple / Pidgin perhaps, my userbot consumed 30MB from Telethon's imports. Meanwhile I'm not sure if libpurple stuff is well-maintained (had issues with it a few years ago) but worth a try I guess?

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 12:43

as long it doesn't kills other process it's ok

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 12:56

Seems like something a bot would post, the only messages from the account are the poll and the following messages

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 12:44

i would like official telegram desktop introducing resumable downloads like unigram

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 11:55

only when downgrading

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 11:42

ouch, most devs, sleeping may be this time of the day!

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 13:06

E.g. the explosive growth to 5-7B option conflicts with nationwide network effects. Telegram will most likely never gain significant market share in my homeland Belgium, unless WhatsApp ceases to exist or becomes revoltingly terrible. Has happened with Facebook (now predominately Instagram) and Marketplace (privacy laws created somewhat of a void), but I’m not seeing that with WhatsApp at the moment. And its disappearance from the market will create a short-term void, yes, but it’s no guarantee that Telegram will be the one replacing it. Quite frankly, our overall somewhat prudent society and obsession with laws and order will probably clash with the lack of platform moderation here.

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 12:20

normalize anonymous polls

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 12:11

Why does is ask about Telegram Desktop then?

Telegram Desktop Talk

19 June 2025 12:51

i use a fork with a lot of features not the official tele desktop

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:47

For official tg desktop

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:45

What do you mean by tg fork not getting updates on linux?

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 20:32

Materialgram is updated actively

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 19:55

it really depends on how many chats do you have

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 13:13

Maybe later I'll give you some measurements of what tdesktop consumes for me, but I smell like plane and my energy level is basically dead 🥱

Telegram Desktop Talk

24 June 2025 13:01

Working on systems with 2kB of RAM (yes, no typo 😉) taught me that too... It's one thing for us to have tons of memory to gloat about (which is fine, show em when you got em), but we should in turn also acknowledge that the Facebookmachines (GPTmachines?) also still exist out there. Besides, this mantra of "screw it because I have tons of system resources" can also serve as an excuse for bad software practices down the road. Not just "import * because my system can handle it" but also just overall smelly code. If I wanted that, I would've stuck with something like Discord instead. Electron bloats it like all hell, and a couple dozen MB for what may well be a video stream... This is fine!

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 13:14

what a nice way to judge a person, right! i like these polls, atleast he is trying to make conversation in a group which is awefully silent. why a poll bothers you? any particular reason? i dont see you participating in any kind of discussion and yet here you are complaining

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 12:51

what do you mean by 'bot'?

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 11:56

hmm, i had a pretty bad experience doing that many a times, on a limited bw mobile internet.

Thanks!

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 11:54

Overwriting the static binary with new or older, will always reset cache, or only if itsa lower version ? (requiring re-login)

Telegram Desktop Talk

21 June 2025 09:57

hello guys! whats new? tgdesktop is awefully silent nowadays!

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 12:56

None of these outcomes seem very realistic tbh

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 12:12

But the question conflicts with answers

Telegram Desktop Talk

20 June 2025 12:10

Telegram or Telegram Desktop?

Telegram Desktop Talk

19 June 2025 12:51

without having to change os